General chatty post over "The Game of Thrones"

[daeva_neesan]

Valar Morghulis, my readers!
I was supposed to make this post a while ago, right after the third season of The Game of Thrones was over, but some stuff (like me getting hold of a copy of A Feast for Crows XD) happened and I'm posting about it only now--
Of course, after all this time and all the things I spoiled myself with thanks to the book and its wikia, and obviously since EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT IT, this won't be a summary or a proper review of the book, but a just brainstorming made of fangirlness and vague thoughts in a random order--

• WHY I HATE THE LANNISTERS - I was intrigued when everyone on Facebook talked about this family about how deliciously evil and stunning they were-- To say the truth, I found them quite unnerving already, but once I saw them on screen, OH, GOOD LORD, TEH HAET.
These, my friends, are the kind of people I despise the most. Beautiful, rich and successful people who are too stupid for their own good but still think that they are the smartest of the bunch.
My least favourite is Cersei, expecially after I read about her in the book. A stupid bitch who thinks herself OH-SO-SMART when whatever she does is getting herself surrounded with useless persons (and obviously she does nothing but complaining about how everyone is soooo stupid) and looking dangerously like the husband that she despised oh-so-much (I'm anticipating that she's going to gain lots of weight XD).
She keeps complaining how she never had the chance to prove her worth because she was a woman, and that power was just what she was made for, but she couldn't even educate her retarded sons (not Myrcella, she had the luck to leave those demented in King's Landings when she was a child) to general obviousness... A lioness my ass!
I also hate Tywin, that fellow fangirls find a charming old man with a great brain. FOR FUCK SAKE. After what he did to Tyrion's wife, and for the utter stupidity that he uses to judge his sons he totally deserved all the shit that happened to him.
I don't even like Tyrion, to be honest. It's true that he's sympathetic and kind to those that are considered outcasts (expecially if they have a pussy between their legs), but I'd dare to say that it's mostly because of his own disadventured for his deformed body... The way he tries to get out of troubles with the help of his father's money is all kind of pathetic.
I'd dare to say that the Lannister without their money are less than zero and that they are worth just how much they are willing to pay.
Jaime is stupid like a bucklet of shit, and despite the attempts to make him more "human" with the addition of random bad luck and tragedies in his life, I'm still wary about him. Surely he's still smarter than his sister.
By the way, when Locke cut his hand off, I FAPPED :D I WOULD HAVE DONE THAT BACK SINCE HE WAS A STARK'S PRISONER!
• THE STARK ARE STUPID - The Stark is definitely the most retarded family in the whole bunch.
Ned trusted the last person he was supposed to trust in the whole Westeros (=that asshole LittleFinger--UGH, I HATE THIS BASTARD SO MUCH MORE THAN THE LANNISTERS >_<#), Catlin is a retarded that kept on complaining about her husband duties (YANNO, HE'S THE LORD OF A FUCKING CASTLE, YOU BITCH) and did the most stupid things in the whole series (= freeing Jaime to get her daughters back), Robb, well, let's talk about marrying some random bitch when you're betrothed to the daughter of your very vital ally, Sansa, we all know how stupid she is, Arya feels all smartass and badass when she's nothing but a spoiled brat (she really let me down-- I liked her at first, but now all that shit about becoming a killer-- UGH.), and Brann wants to go beyond the Wall. Have fun.
• MY FAVOURITE CHARACTERS - After all that ranting you sure want to hear something nice now, right XD ?
My favourite family of the whole bunch is pretty much the Greyjoy. It's kind weird, 'cause when I was musing with some friends about the various sigils, I said that the Greyjoy's was the one I liked the most (it shows a golden kraken, my friends-- I FUCKING LOVE SEA MONSTERS, and kraken are my favourites of the lot ;_; <3) and they replied "LOL, they are pitiful"-- Since most of them were Lannister and Stark fans now I know that they were saying a bunch of shit XD
Of course the word "pitiful" fits to a T to Theon, who is the character that house Greyjoy tends to be identified with. But let's be honest, Theon is nothing but a Stark, the furthest thing from a Greyjoy, he admitted it himself.
I pretty much love all the ironmen: people born on a shitty island that instead of whining and complaining about their misfortunes turned their troubles into their strenght. Strong-willed bastards who are not afraid of pain because it makes you stronger, people who are not afraid to die because "what is dead may never die"∼
Of their bunch, my favourite character are Asha (Yara in the TV series), and Theon's uncles, Victarion ans Euron.
Where Victarion is serious and dutiful, Euron is wicked and "wild", and I really love these two together ;_; I'd love to find some good porn about them, but whatever slash fic I find, it's always hatesex (and with good reason) XDD
Like every sane person in this fandom, I also love cute Daenerys ♥ I think that her whereabouts are quite interesting, and the whole dragon thing is AAASDSDGFDHFGH.
--At the end of season 3 she looked a bit more like some rockstar than a (warrior?) princess, but well, that's it XD
Another favourite character of mine is the Hound ;_; Talking about outcasts and people who never had a chance to be happy, I think that he deserves WAY MORE sympathy than Tyrion :/
• I WILL GO DOWN WITH THIS SHIP - As I was telling you, I'm a supporter of Euron/Victarion (of course big bro tops!), also if I'm quite aware that this is not going to end as well as Itachi/Sasuke XD I admit that I have a soft spot for Vyseris/Daenerys (and here I doubt my sanity XD) and I WOULD HAVE REALLY REALLY LIKED SOME SANDOR (=The Hound)/SANSA ACTION ;____;... I also shipped Robb/Theon quite happily before all that mess with the Greyjoy-- I admit that I'd like to ship Ramsey/Theon too, but Ramsey is too fucking insane to picture him in a healthy relationship with whoever (he makes me think of Katsuya from Kaiji!!! C'mon, he's JUST HIM!!!)...What else, what else-- Stannis/Gendry XDD ? I find Stannis quite hot ;_; Too bad that she's probably even more stupid than Jaime ;_;

And well, this short delirium is over XD
See you again for a more proper post next time XD

Comments

[m3n747]

I watched the first season some 2 years ago and I absolutely hated it. No way I'm ever touching this crap again.

[daeva_neesan]

Ahahah, I can see the reaction, but why did you loath it so much XD ?

[m3n747]

There are WAY too many characters (made me feel like I was watching Phonebook: The Series), half of them are idiots, half of them are bastards, and those few that were okay were killed off anyway. The story is all over the place, it doesn't focus on anything and nothing all that interesting ever happens, which made watching it not only boring, but positively painful. By the half point of the first episode (and until the end of the season) I was playing Solitaire and only watching with one eye, otherwise it would be completely unbearable. And stuff like the 800 feet wall really being only about 80 feet tall, seasons lasting years (and a varying number of them, if memory serves) and gold melting faster than ice only add insult to injury.

[daeva_neesan]

Oh, I agree that most of the characters are unbearable, but I don't think that "nothing interesting happens" x'DDD
Maybe you had to watch it properly, instead of playing Solitaire XDD ?
And OMG, it's a FANTASY world, there atre dragons spitting COLOURED FIRE and people that use BLACK MAGIC, ok if you wanna complain about how a robot wih two cockpits works (not really XD) but you can show a bit of flexibility in this department!

If you want my honest opinion, I don't find it so great either, but since I took some characters in sympathy, I wanna see how it goes for them-- Then when they'll die or turn evil randomly I'll drop it x'D

[m3n747]

Or at least nothing that would make me care. Come to think of it, the fundamental problem lies with the characters - if there's nobody to really care for, there's no way to care about what happens to them.

Oh, I tried watching it properly. I started every episode with at least some level of hope that perhaps this one would surprise me, but neither ever did. Normally I would stop watching after three episodes at most, but a friend of mine kept raving about how awesome this series is, so I kept trudging through it. And Solitaire was the only thing that made it at all bearable. XD

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention the dragons. When they first appeared a the end of season 1, I said to myself "fuck this shit" and lost all hope for this series. I wouldn't mind if it went all-out high fantasy from the beginning, but such a mixture of mostly low fantasy with some pretty big high fantasy elements simply doesn't work for me.

The world you create has to have some ground rules, internal logic and consistency, otherwise it's just a mess. If a wall is said to be 800 feet tall but it looks more like 20 metres, then either somebody fucked up pretty hard, or they were using cat feet as a basis for their measurement units. If gold melts in a few seconds and a low temperature, then a hot summer day would be all that it takes to rid a ruling dynasty of their ornaments. And if a season can last a number of years in an unspecified range, then not only is long-term timekeeping an impossibility, but more importantly a planet that has such an unsteady axial tilt has no right to exist long enough for life to appear. If you want to have nonsense like that in your world, then go balls to the wall with it.

Spoiler: Boromir dies. XD

[daeva_neesan]

I was quite amused by many secondary characters, as usual XD
For example, The Hound. Daenerys was cute, too. I was amused by Stannis. I also liked the Greyjoy's INSTANTLY XD And Arya was fun, too! --Then yeah, I don't remember anyone else interesting in first season XD
For the most of time, I admit that I kept watching looking forward to the just death of those characters that I hated, or to see what happened to those I liked.
Obviously the author trolled me. He kept doing in in this book I found that should cover season 4, but at least I had the satisfaction to see some bastard Lannisters die XD

but such a mixture of mostly low fantasy with some pretty big high fantasy elements simply doesn't work for me.
Well, that's your problem XDD Dragons, direwolves and giants are FUCKING COOL, man x'DDD
--Zombies are a little less. At that point I was thinking "This guy is trying too hard" x'DD

If a wall is said to be 800 feet tall but it looks more like 20 metres, then either somebody fucked up pretty hard, or they were using cat feet as a basis for their measurement units.
I like how this point is so vital to you XD You had to be really bored if you had to time to mind the proportions of such things.
Look, if you look closely at the "throne of swords", you may notice that the swords close to the armrests are quite tinier than the others on the seatback... HOW CAN YOU TOLLERATE THAT?!!! IS IT A THRONE MADE OF SWORDS OR KNIVES?!!! IT'S NO SENSE!!!! <-passionate sarcasm x'D
(anyway, I laughed at the scene of the "golden crown" too XD I just assumed that in the book it was rendered differently, but the TV rendition had its timing and it came out like that-- For example, I was also bothered by the fact than when Daenerys rose from the ashes she still had her hair-- those were supposed to be burnt by the fire!)

SPOILER: Winter comes, everybody dies.

[m3n747]

I don't even remember who any of these characters are. XD The only ones I liked were fat Sam and the barbarian chief, everyone else could go fuck a dragon for all I cared. XD

Dragons, direwolves and giants are FUCKING COOL, man x'DDD
I'm not saying they're not, but they don't work in this particular setting for me. It's like watching Pretty Woman, when suddenly Richard Gere turns into a daemon. XD

I like how this point is so vital to you XD You had to be really bored if you had to time to mind the proportions of such things.
It's an order of magnitude we're talking about! If somebody promised you a metre-long kebab but then gave you a 10 cm-long one, wouldn't you be pissed? XD

Look, if you look closely at the "throne of swords", you may notice that the swords close to the armrests are quite tinier than the others on the seatback... HOW CAN YOU TOLLERATE THAT?!!! IS IT A THRONE MADE OF SWORDS OR KNIVES?!!! IT'S NO SENSE!!!!
It's called "Iron Throne", so the name doesn't imply one particular kind of weapon - there's no reason not to use daggers, stilettos or misericordes. And besides, there are different kinds of swords - a two-handed longsword is obviously going to be bigger than a rapier. But what I really want to know is how many people lost their asses sitting in that thing. XD

[daeva_neesan]

Awww, c'mon, they were the most pathetic guys! The "barbarian chief" (Ned Stark) was particularly stupid!!!

...I'm more than willing to revive your memory about my fav characters with useless pictures XD

The Hound:


Daenerys:


The Greyjoys:


Stannis:


It's like watching Pretty Woman, when suddenly Richard Gere turns into a daemon. XD
Which wouldn't really surprise me, if Pretty Woman was marked as a movie about supernatural stuff.

If somebody promised you a metre-long kebab but then gave you a 10 cm-long one, wouldn't you be pissed? XD
oh, c'mon it's a different thing! A kebab would be food, a wall would be a wall! And it gave the impression of a huge barrier!
If someone told me "Look, that wall is 100 meters tall" but it's 50 instead, unless I had to use it to build my house, I wouldn't care a rat's ass XD

It's called "Iron Throne", so the name doesn't imply one particular kind of weapon
LIES! When the first Dragon King took power, he made his enemies lay their famed swords into his throne and let his dragon fuse them together with his fire as a symbol of their perpetual loyalty!

But what I really want to know is how many people lost their asses sitting in that thing. XD
You didn't notice? The seat was a regular seat XD

[m3n747]

The "barbarian chief" (Ned Stark) was particularly stupid!!!
No, Ned Stark was Boromir, I was talking about Conan the Barbarian. XD

Which wouldn't really surprise me, if Pretty Woman was marked as a movie about supernatural stuff.
I don't know what marketing for Game of Thrones was, I just remember that it started as low fantasy and then pulled some high fantasy elements out of nowhere. And that sucked IMO.

If someone told me "Look, that wall is 100 meters tall" but it's 50 instead, unless I had to use it to build my house, I wouldn't care a rat's ass XD
But can you trust people, who can't even get their numbers right? What if it was about your hard-earned money? XD

When the first Dragon King took power, he made his enemies lay their famed swords into his throne and let his dragon fuse them together with his fire as a symbol of their perpetual loyalty!
So maybe some of them used smaller blades?

You didn't notice? The seat was a regular seat XD
I bet they changed it after a few nasty accidents. XD

[daeva_neesan]

Ah, I see XD Well, Drogo was pretty cool too *_* --Of course he died XD

Games of Thrones is labeled as Fantasy and Adventure I guess.
I don't understand and know about "high" or "low" Fantasy but I don't get shocked if in such a story a dragon pops up.

But can you trust people, who can't even get their numbers right? What if it was about your hard-earned money? XD
Again, this smells as overthinking.
I didn't even notice in which frame the damn wall looks 20 meters tall, to be honest.

So maybe some of them used smaller blades?
See? You think in a weird way XD Isn't easier to assume that the swords by the armrests were just more melted than the others..?

I bet they changed it after a few nasty accidents. XD
Naaah, the Dragon King had two wives and they were his pretty blond sisters. He definitely knew better X'D
(Here's a thing that looked weird-- Their concept of GENETICS, where sons have the same hair and yes colour of their father-- "Hey Joffrey is blond and his father has black hair--! MUST BE A BASTARD!" x'DDD That was fun! expecially because it didn't work with Boromir's sons: both Robb and Sansa had red hair as their mother!)

[m3n747]

I don't understand and know about "high" or "low" Fantasy
High fantasy has supernatural and otherwise impossible elements (magic, elves, dragons, wizards etc.) all over the place and it's a natural element of the scenery - think Lord of the Rings, Discworld, Dungeons & Dragons or Harry Potter. Low fantasy is the opposite - weird stuff doesn't normally happen, and when it does, it's completely out of the ordinary.

I didn't even notice in which frame the damn wall looks 20 meters tall, to be honest.
Every single one, in which it's shown? XD Come on, 800 ft is about 250 metres, it most certainly didn't look THAT tall.

See? You think in a weird way XD
Why? Different people would use different weapons, so naturally some of those blades would be smaller than others.

Isn't easier to assume that the swords by the armrests were just more melted than the others..?
You can assume anything because it's easier and call it a day, but it won't get you very far. Here's a nice photo of the throne in question.

Here's a thing that looked weird-- Their concept of GENETICS
Well, I'd say it was pretty valid reasoning, given their level of understanding of such matters. Heredity is a very old concept, and an apparent one to pretty much everybody - so if many generations of fathers and sons have a certain trait (in this case, black hair) then there is a good chance that a blond kid would indeed be a bastard.

[daeva_neesan]

Assuming that I DIDN'T CARE about the difference (XD), it's interesting to note that the whole thing is based on this duality: everyone thinks that dragons are extinct, the Wall is pretty much useless and there's no real "threat" behind the Wall-- Then you get to see that dragons can still hatch from their eggs (which are considered fossils), Giants exist , that there are zombies and the "wildlings" are getting organized in some army to attack Westeros... I think that the author is playing with both concept, merging them in something new yet familiar-- Just how Anno mixed orthodox and realistic mecha anime.

Different people would use different weapons
If you want I repeat it-- Those are not "weapons" those are SWORDS XD It's canon, not my mere "assumption".
Sometimes the "easier" option is not "wrong" just because it's simple.
--Why are you so wary to the concept of "obvious" XD ?

Well, I'd say it was pretty valid reasoning, given their level of understanding of such matters.
I'm not complaining about the reasoning, I'm complaining about the fact that IT WORKS LIKE THAT, and it applies only to the father's line.
Lannisters are blond, Targaryens have blond hair and purple eyes, Tyrells have brown, curly hair, Starks have dark brown hair, Baratheons have black hair and blue eyes, Greyjoys have black hair and green eyes and so on-- I found it amusing that, though, as everyone was aware that Jeoffrey was a "Lannister" because he had blond hair, nobody wondered about why Sansa (and Robb, in the book) has red hair like her mother, instead of dark brown like the other Starks.
For example, Robert Baratheon had 16 bastards sons, and he had them with all kind of women: they all have black hair and blue eyes. --I'd call it weird!

[m3n747]

I think that the author is playing with both concept, merging them in something new yet familiar-- Just how Anno mixed orthodox and realistic mecha anime.
Or maybe he was just trolling. Which is likely, seeing how he intentionally set out to write something unfilmable, after all his various TV scripts were rejected.

Those are not "weapons" those are SWORDS XD
Are you really implying that a sword is not a weapon?

Sometimes the "easier" option is not "wrong" just because it's simple.
But assumptions are by definition unquestioning and baseless. Deciding that something is correct without backing it up with anything just because it's easier spells "lazy" and potentially leads to dangerous places.

Why are you so wary to the concept of "obvious" XD ?
Because the bigger our knowledge, the less obvious things are - and the only way to expand our knowledge is to question the obvious.

I'm complaining about the fact that IT WORKS LIKE THAT, and it applies only to the father's line
Blame the author for not thinking things through. Maybe they thought that red and dark brown is close enough, but blond and black is too different? Ah, who cares, they're all going to get killed sooner or later. XD

[daeva_neesan]

Well, he started to write the novels WAY BEFORE the TV adaptation, so I don't think that he's trolling the producers-- He's pretty much trolling his readers, though XD But I like where this trolling is going--!
Anyway I didn't know that he had troubles with the TV rendition, I didn't care to get to know more about it, but I heard that the author was liking what they were doing with the TV series... Even if in my opinion the book is better, but that's a given the most of times...

Ahahah, naaah, you won't drag me in your pointless discussion about fucking epistemology, man! I quit that stuff when I was in high school and I regret nothing!
I don't see what's your point over this throne, since this is the subject of this discussion, not some kind of existential philosophy!
IT WAS MADE WITH THE SWORDS OF THE DRAGON KING'S ENEMIES.
This is how the story goes.
Full stop.
Then if the granpa of Ned Stark preferred battling with an axe instead of a sword, that's his business: the throne is made of swords, and that's it!

[m3n747]

He was writing TV and film scripts in mid-'80s, but they were rejected or modified for time and budget. That pissed him off, so he started writing Game of Thrones with the intention of making it unfilmable. And now, years later, lo and behold, they're filming it. So the trolling stems directly from the way he wrote the books in the first place. I imagine he's pretty pleased with the way the TV series turned out - after all, he made sure it wouldn't be easy to make.

The point is, there are various kinds of sword and any warrior can carry a blade of any size, depending on his size, strength and fighting style. So if one guy used a claymore and another had a broadsword, then the former would be more suitable for the back of the throne and the latter for the armrest.

[daeva_neesan]

Ah, I didn't know-- And well, it may have been unfilmable in the 80s, but he just had to wait for the new century and HBO x'DDD
Speaking of HBO, I must remember to watch the Soprano's, tonight XD

The point is, there are various kinds of sword and any warrior can carry a blade of any size
Yes, and what's your point..?
You were pointing out that it was called "iron throne" because it was implied that it was made of "iron" and not swords exclusively, then when I say that the book refers to swords you say that there are different kind of swords... What the hell do you want from me XD ?

[m3n747]

Watchmen was supposed to be unfilmable too, and look how it turned out. I guess today the only thing that still remains unfilmable is Finnegans Wake. XD

Hey, you called it "throne of swords" and were prejudiced against knives, remember? XD I pointed out that it's called the "Iron Throne" and that varying types of bladed weapons could've been used in making it, thus accounting for the difference in sizes between the armrests and the seat. I want you to acknowledge that it's more likely and plausible that the conquered enemies of the Dragon King carried different blades, which were then slapped together to make the throne, than it is that there's one standard issue model of sword in this world and the Dragon King had to go out of his way to shape them into something more or less comfortable, DAMMIT! XD And also that there is only one Dragon King. XD

[daeva_neesan]

It's called like that in Italian XD !
And I was making fun of your detail-oriented way of looking at things, there was no need to bother me with all these words to prove a point that made no sense since the beginning XD
And it's not like the Dragon King fought every warrior and just COLLECTED their WEAPONS OF CHOICE, he kicked their asses and forced them to surrender at King's Landing, presenting their swords as a sign of obedience XD !

[m3n747]

It's called like that in Italian XD !
Translations have that nasty habit of being inaccurate, unfortunately. Polish translations of film titles are the prime example of this. XD

he kicked their asses and forced them to surrender at King's Landing, presenting their swords as a sign of obedience XD !
And they didn't go through their weapons closet to present him with their standard-sized ceremonial swords, they gave him whatever they had on them at the moment. And they each had different blades. XD

Seriously, how am I going to convince anyone that I don't like this series, now that I'm arguing sword sizes and the art of throne making? XD

[daeva_neesan]

But guess what..? IT'S ACTUALLY CORRECT, even if it's not a literally translation XD

And they didn't go through their weapons closet to present him with their standard-sized ceremonial swords
They did exactly this. Everyone brought their pretty sword to King's Landing, to present it to their new king XD !

Don't worry, you're uninformed enough to pass for someone who watched the series and thought shit of it XD *pats shoulder*

[m3n747]

Electronic Murderer and Android Hunter are also technically correct, but come on! XD

Really? Okay, fair enough. But still, I highly doubt that even shiny ceremonial swords came in one size only. XD

Why, thank you! XD

[amelia_seyroon]

I'd like to know as well! Because almost EVERYBODY I know keeps raving about that show!

And I still haven't started watching season one.

[m3n747]

See my reply to Dae.

I'd say, do yourself a favour and don't watch it. XD

[daeva_neesan]

Don't mind him, Menty has the bad habit to watch movies and TV series as if they were documentaries XD

[m3n747]

I guess I have the bad habit of thinking while I watch. XD

[daeva_neesan]

Now, "thinking" is a big word-- I'd say "overthinking", instead :P
It's when you think too much for the sake of it, and forget to LOOK at what you're supposed to SEE∼

[m3n747]

I know what I see and I don't like it. When something doesn't make sense, it doesn't make sense. XD

[daeva_neesan]

Neither Terminator does, but you still enjoyed it-- Or I assume that you grew DULL with age >DDD ?

[m3n747]

The Terminator is at least within the realm of no-so-complete-and-utter-impossibility. After all, the fields of robotics and AI are expanding, and who's to say time travel is not possible? Not to mention, The Terminator has more memorable characters. XD

[daeva_neesan]

If you'd watch Terminator now you'd just say that it's full of impossible shit that doesn't abide to the laws of physics XD ! --And that the Terminator himself is nothing but a (well-armed) "lego brick"-- And that the CG is obsolete!
x'D

[m3n747]

There is a robot that runs like a cat and a Bee Gees robot - so a killer robot from the future is just a matter of time. XD

The terminator in T1 wasn't supposed to have much personality, he was more like Jason Voorhees than Freddy Krueger.

T1 didn't have much CGI to begin with, if any at all, they mostly used practical effects. T2, on the other hand, was a major breakthrough in CGI - and those effects still hold up very well today.

That being said, I'm downloading T1 right now. XD

[daeva_neesan]

x'D

I'm going to read the last chapters of "A Feast for Crows" and then I'll plot some Euron/Victarion good ol' consensual porn XD

[m3n747]

Have fun, then! XD